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Išleidimo data: 1974 m.


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2017 m. kovo 8 d. 15:43:14
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2013 m. liepos 11 d. 20:19:21
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Gera albumo analizė. Net Edgaro Frozės pasisakymas įdėtas. Labai vertinga informacija, bent man, nes mėgstu šį albumą. man jis toks neišeksploatuotas, dalinai eksperimentinis, kurio reikia klausytis visiškoje tyloje, jokiu būdu nenaudoti kaip foną. O kas dėl viršelio apipavidalinimo - man pirmiausiai galvon atėjo mintis, kad tai sprogusi galaktika negatyve. Beje, piešinio autorius pats Frezė.


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2012 m. birželio 21 d. 18:41:08
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PART-2 D:Studio [PHAEDRA] [iš šio albumo [tadream] fanų elektroninės konferencijos]

Hi everyone, Bańéwo!

So this week we're supposed to share our views about Phaedra.I've bought Phaedra vinyl on the 28th day of September, (8 points forphysical conditions), and the album was quite cheap (about 2,50 USD).

Tangerine Dream - Phaedra - 1974One year after Tubular Bells, two years before Stratosfear and Oxygene.

Phaedra, the album: 9.

1. Phaedra - 8,52. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares - 9,53. Movements of a Visionary - 74. Sequent C' - 8

The first part of Phaedra, the sequencer part, develops slowly and thenfinishes almost abruptly, with synthesized animal (bird?) sounds. This partcould have been better, if it was more explored after this first climax.After the bird-like sounds, the second part of the title track begins andit's calmer than the first, like a preview of the second track. After someseconds of silence, I was surprised to hear very low real bird sounds. Thistrack could have been much better. 8,5 points.

Despite being a long, slow track, MS@tSoN is my favourite from this album.It has a calm melody, with makes me think of lonely, windy cliffs by thesea, or those cliffs in Antarctica neighborhood where thousands of birdslive, with austral auroras dancing in the sky. (Poetic, isn't it?)Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares's natural atmospherereminds me of Jarre's first nature-inspired tracks from Equinoxe andOxygene, like Oxygene part 6, part 4 and Equinoxe part 5 and 8.

The only flaw in this music is that climax-like part, in the middle. Itseems to announce a second part, maybe with sequencers, but it's onlysomething like a lapse of Froese when he was composing MysteriousSemblance. This "climax" is completely out of place. 9,5 points.

Movements of a Visionary is the strangest track in this album. What arethose sounds at the beginning? The movements? After these... "movements",some sequencer work with a very slow organ melody takes place. After sayingalmost nothing, MofaV says goodbye, with more birds. 7 points.

What can I say about Sequent C'? A good but sad track, unfortunately verysmall, which closes the album and says "bye bye, see you soon - verysoon!". 8 points.

Phaedra is very out-of-this-world, atmospheric, spacey, and it's still abit experimental. It's the last but Rubycon of the early albums. It beginsto show what direction Tangerine Dream was taking, but it's a difficultalbum, with few melodic parts. Anyway, Phaedra is very good, despite thebad moments like MS@tSoN's "climax". 9 points to Phaedra.

gfj - np nothing. (after Phaedra, for the... maybe 10th time?)

P.S.: np Sequent C' again. What kind of name is this? "Farewell" would beMUCH better.

P.S.²: What kind of cover was that? TD was crazy in those days. Making thatalmost inacessible music with those kind of covers... Dali influence? LSDinfluence, like someone said?


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2012 m. birželio 21 d. 18:35:55
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D:Studio [PHAEDRA] [iš šio albumo [tadream] fanų elektroninės konferencijos]

Phaedra (1974)

1. Phaedra2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares3. Movements of a Visionary4. Sequent 'C'

Edgar Froese - Mellotron, bass, VCS3 synthesizer, organChris Franke - Moog synthesizer, organ, VCS3 synthesizerPeter Baumann - organ, electric piano,VCS3 synthesizer, flute

This is where it all took off for Tangerine Dream. I wonder how manypeople have this record in their collection.... I mean the nonTD-Die-hards... you know how they say that so many people own DarkSideOf The Moon, or Tubular Bells, or Oxygene or something... I wonder howmany copies of this still sit in peoples record collections, peoplethat have had no other contact with TD.

I must admit, that when I first got his album, I thought it was a bitboring, and it doesn't get many plays at all. In fact, I just put itinto my CDR and my PC didn't recognise it (I always enter the CD infoon my PC when I play a CD for the first time..) which means that Iprobably haven't played this for over 2 years.

But, having been listening to pretty much no TD other than the previrgin years for the last 5 weeks, (with the exception of SonicRender) this makes a most refreshing change. Sequencers... yeah! Damn,this CD is good.... I never realised it!

The title track makes me thing of bubbling lava and magma. I can'thelp but think of volcanoes when I hear this track, they are nowinextricably linked in my mind. Lots of nice transitions, but alwayscoherent. This is TD flexing it's compositional muscle properly forthe first time. The earlier side long tracks had a propensity fordragging on, no development, no movement, and whilst this is notenormously diverse within, its fluidity and hypnotic rhythm helps thejourney along. Definitely a lights out, volume up, track.

The track "Mysterious Semblance..." reminds me so much of Jean MichelJarre on a good day... which only really says that Jarre certainlytook some inspiration for his earlier albums from the sounds that areprevalent here. Most notably, the transition at 5:25. Had I not knowthat this was TD, I would have sworn blind that it was Jarre. It's soorganic, the first few minutes really do bring tears to my eyes. Oneof the greatest tracks ever by TD - and that's not something I sayvery often given the enormous choice. I can't believe that I hardlyever listen to this album. I think I may have to make a 'chill out'compilation CD, on which this track would have pride of place.

The first few minutes of "Movements of a Visionary" are the weakestpoint on the album IMHO. With nothing but sound effects to hold myinterest, I tend to switch off. Only when they bubbling synth linestarts, soon joined by the organ, do my ears prick up and give thistrack some attention. Alas, however, they are not nearly interestingenough to hold my attention. This echoes back to earlier albums, andtherefore, doesn't feature very highly in my favourite tracks list. Infact, it probably appears down at the bottom, just above some of thedrivel from the first 4 albums, and just below the better parts ofAtem.

Finally we come to Sequent 'C'. At this point the shortest trackreleased by TD. Too short even to make a decent pop single. Howeverlacking in length it may be though, it makes up for in content. Veryoriental in feel, and very pensive. I almost expect to hear a Koto orgamelan playing along... visions of Sho Koshugi wearing a black hoodedcostume spring to mind....

All in all, I'm glad I got this album out to listen to it. I think Ihave heard this more this week, than in the past 5 years (probably 5-6times over the last week). More than listening to it though, Iactually 'heard' the album, probably for the first real time. I alwaysscoff when people say that Phaedra is their favourite album, and eventhough it is still far from being mine, I may now give those people abit more respect. As to those of you whom continue to cite EM as topsthough, I still fart in your general direction. :-)

Regards,Lawry

I haven't gotten a chancereally to sit down and listen to Phaedra again. However, I just thoughtI'd share a few general feelings I have about Phaedra, and maybe I'llactually write a "review" when I get back.

I first heard Phaedra via that short snippet on Dream Sequence (how longis it? under a minute?) when I was a little kid. I'm 17 now, so I canactually say I grew up listening to Tangerine Dream. (My dad had gottenDream Sequence, and eventually Optical Race, on CD -- he had had severalVirgin-era TD LPs in the past, but that was a bit before my time!) Asyou may know, Dream Sequence started out with "The Dream is Always theSame", followed by "Phaedra" [Excerpt, don't ask my why they didn't sayso], "Rubycon (Excerpt)", "Stratosfear (Excerpt)", and so on. I alwaysthought Phaedra was quite odd considering the surrounding pieces. EvenRubycon seemed fairly normal (yeah, right!) after hearing Phaedra. OnDream Sequence, they faded in the bubbly Moog sequence and accompanyingmelodies a minute or so before the Moog stopped and the echoed guitarpart started (when I never got to hear because the excerpt stopped rightat that point). So, as you can imagine, I associated Phaedra with a verystrange sounds. I loved it, though. It sounded so alien, sootherwordly -- like space noises from a distant planet. Especially sincethe Moog was out of tune with itself and the other instruments --brilliant "mistake"!

When I finally got Phaedra on CD recently, I was amazed to hear suchdifferent textures and feelings on the other tracks -- even on the titletrack in other spots. You can't imagine how fun it was to be listeningto the first track and keeping expecting the section of the DreamSequence excerpt to appear.

Basically, Phaedra is one of my favorite TD albums. It's a strangebeast, though -- I have to be in just the right mood to want to listento it. But, when I do, I enjoy it thoroughly. It was also one of the fewVirgin-era TD albums I liked instantly. A few comments about the piecesin particular -- Mysterious Semblance... I like a lot, but not as nearlymuch as Lhasa on Quinoa "Extended", or especially Ceder Breaks on Oasis.Movements of a Visionary for some reason doesn't seem to stick in mybrain very well, but I remember liking it. As for Sequent C', I thinkits gorgeous. Short, simple, and pure. Peter Baumann's legacy, IMHO!

Believe it or not, I don't have Rubycon yet (YET, that is), but I alwaysliked the excerpt on Dream Sequence, and I'll be very interested inhearing people reviews of the real thing!

Sorry for rambling on a bit.... :)

Take care,

Jared

Phaedra [1974]Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Peter Baumann

PhaedraMysterious Semblance at the Stand of NightmaresMovements of a VisionarySequent 'C'

Okay, before I start, a couple of questions about the track titles. First,"Mysterious Semblance at the STAND of Nightmares" is what it says on my VirginDefinitve Edition CD. I always thought it was STRAND - defective eyes/memory oryet another Virgin typo error? Similarly, I recall the last track on the albumbeing called "Sequent C'", with an apostrophe after the C - I assumed this wasFrench for something. Now it appears in single quotes, as though it is thethird part (A, B, C) of Sequent (whatever that is). Any thoughts?

The other main gripe with the remaster (as with the original CD version, Ithink) is that the playground scene (i.e. with the children's laughter) issupposed to be part of the title track and not Mysterious Semblance ...

As for the music - well, let me start by saying that anyone who doesn't placethis within their top three TD albums should be forced to listen to Rockoon,Tyranny of Beauty and Zeit on continuous play for seven days and six nights.

Of course, I may be biased. Phaedra was the first TD that I bought and reallyheard. Prior to this I had dim and distant memories of my father playing someweird stuff that, once he and my mother seperated, she tried her best to makeme forget. Listening to Phaedra for the first time on my small, crappy hi-fi inthe confines of my bedroom is one of those formative events in a young person'slife that, even at that time, you know changes the way you look at life. Toomuch Frosted Shreddies for breakfast? Perhaps, but there's no denying that thisis TD's landmark album, and not just for me.

With the benefit of hind-sight and a little more experience on the ways ofelectronic music and TD in particular, it is clear to me now that the titletrack is a number of shorter pieces segued together to form one long piece.When I first heard this, though, this changing tempo and sounds were about themost important thing about the album. The piece was always evolving and therewas no chance to be tired of one part because it would soon change again.

Although I would now say that the title track lacks what I consider a melody, Ido recall 'singing' along with the sequencer lines at various points as thoughthis were some form of mantra. Oh how the innocence of youth is corrupted bythe evils of the world!

I surprise myself with how much I like Mysterious Semblance and Sequent C' -being so full of Mellotron moments as they are. Certainly, they do scoreslightly lower than the other two tracks, but there is something about theirplay which attracts more than any other piece of Mellotron work I have.

I also like the return to 'experimentation' in Movements of a Visionary - theperfect intervention between two 'melody'-based tracks. Some of the sequencereffects here are sublime and it is this piece, as much as the title track,which makes the album for me.

If you hadn't alreday guessed, this gets a 5AS from me.

NP : The Original Soundtrack - 10cc

--------------------------------------------------------------Craig R. J. Cordrey

Just some words about Phaedra from me...

I love this album.The first track is just awesome. Out of nowhere comes this bigsound which slowly develops into sequences. Later on the heavilyprocessed mellotron which is just superb.It builds up to a (spooky) climax and after that lots of atmosphere.Superb 'birds' like sounds and mellotron playing.Somebody said that the sound quality wasn't too good, well I agreewith that but it fits...sometimes the sound quality musn't be top.

Second track is a wonderful mellotron track complete with noisesweeps...not much to say about it.

Third track is imo the least good of all the tracks...I never listento it, mostly because of the annoying organ sound.

Last track is okay...a quiet ending sure...it fits, but the track itselfis not very special.

I like this album because of its 'simplicity'. I don't mean that they aresimple structures or whatever, but a sequencer, some chords and a leadline(sometimes)...it makes the music so much better then what they do nowadayswith pumping the track so full that there is nothing left for yourimagination.(but thats just prbably me rambling again)

For track 1 and 2 alone I will give this album a 4AS. (5 was the highestwasn't it?)

Marcel

Another long and somewhat late review from me. Last weekend was busy and Ihad no chance to write (which can take some time when you're verbose).

I've had this album for a while and listened to it many times, unlike theother two I've reviewed so far, but I'm not sure if that'll make a differencein how I write about it.

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1. Phaedra

From the very beginning, it's clear that this is something different from theprevious albums. It opens with a bit of ambience, and a couple of odd soundscome and go fairly quickly. A sort of bubbling or flowing sequence plays fora moment before solidifying into an eerie melody. (It's a melody by mystandards, anyway--there was a brief debate about this on the old list.)Chimes and wavering chords punctuate the atmosphere. The sequence is joinedby some nice Mellotron sounds--not as nice as the ones on, say, "Rubycon,"but I'm getting ahead of myself.

Does anybody know what produces that morphing tone that comes in at about3:35? Regardless, it's cool. I can't imagine how futuristic this must haveseemed in 1974 (I wasn't around then).

Everything quiets down for the bass guitar (that's what I assume it is,anyway--the liner notes refer to a "guitar-bass"), and after a bit of that, anew, shorter sequence appears and is joined by various blips and bleeps. Ithink I'm on a spaceship of some sort now. The sequence changes a bit andstarts moving from ear to ear. Something that sounds like a heavily filteredguitar goes flying by, and then there's more bass guitar (I think?) playingalong with the Moog. It's starting to get pretty intense, especially withthat deep buzz coming in every few moments. The sequence keeps changing untilI have no idea what's going on, and then it starts to rise and rise until itexplodes in a frenzy of oscillation.

A beautiful Mellotron sound shows up for just a moment, and then it getsquiet, with a few noises echoing past at intervals. The "quiet with noises"theme goes on for a couple minutes, and then, gradually, my favorite partgets going. I LOVE the ending to this track. Unlike many of the tracks on"Zeit" and "Atem," which just faded away when their time was up, "Phaedra"makes it clear that it's leaving by way of a long and grandiose outro. Thisending challenges the intro to "Atem" in terms of majesty and generalhugeness, though it is significantly more subdued. The final chord isspine-tingling. This is easily my favorite track on the album.

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2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares

I have the SBM version of the album, so the extremely faint sounds ofchildren open this track rather than closing the previous one. There isn'ttoo much to say about them, but then the Mellotron strings come in. Spaceywhooshes and rumblings and oscillations underline the Mellotron chords (evenif in space no one can hear you whoosh).

At about 5:20, the background sounds disappear, and some additional Mellotronlines (I think; I have no expertise in this area, but that's what it soundslike to me) fill their place, taking the melody in a somewhat different andmore conventional direction, but a minute later, it returns to the originaltheme. Some more overtly electronic sounds fill the space around theMellotron. From this point on, it doesn't change too much. It's a good way tospend 11 minutes, but not a favorite.

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3. Movements of a Visionary

One of my favorite ambient artists, Dilate, sampled the first few seconds ofthis track and used them on two of his pieces ("Farewell" and "TerraceSerpent"). Apart from that factoid, I don't find the intro too exciting. Butsoon, a really unique sequence shows up. The weird effects from the beginninghave more impact on me with this flowing sequence backing them up. As thesequence starts to change a bit, a great organ line comes in, reminding me ofone of my favorite TD-related pieces, Edgar's "Upland." An interestingkeyboard (electric piano?) comes in around 3:45 and plays a rather attractivetune. The sequence continues to change, the organ continues to be cool, andin general, this track is fascinating me. After a few more minutes,everything goes quiet as some sporadic sound effects bring about the ending.The track could stand to be a bit longer, but apart from that, I love it.

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4. Sequent C'

A bit of flute atmosphere to close the album. It's nice, but it's short. (Ona side note, I always assumed the C' meant "C prime," not that it makes muchsense in the context. I haven't had any musical training beyond pianolessons, so the alternate interpretation escaped me.)

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All in all, "Phaedra" is not just an important album, but a very entertainingone as well. I don't think anybody needs me to recommend it, but I willanyway.

--Quarlie :)


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